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Those words of wisdom could have been uttered by women across the centuries who have struggled for equal rights.

Some are surprised that many women in the Bible and the ancient world were wealthy and influential. Oftentimes, women from those eras were overlooked in society, as some are today, the students said.

Rachel Parr, a sophomore religion major from Nocona, noted that many of the struggles faced by those women are relevant today. In many ways, women have come a long way, she said, but not far.

Chris Kiser, a junior religion major from Austin, plans to attend a theology school after graduating from McMurry and become either a pastor or religion professor. He said he noticed something different about how men and women were treated in class readings from the Bible and from literature from the ancient Mediterranean world.

An exception was Cleopatra, patient woman in the bible was noted for her intelligence and strength as well as her beauty. The Bible, too, features strong and faithful women, including Mary, the mother of Jesus, in a patriarchal world.

Although Esther rightfully gets the bulk of the ink in the story, Vashti is a heroine patieht her own right.

Morgan, a junior religion major from Denton, sees Vashti as a victim of patient woman in the bible culture she in which she lived. Something Morgan has seen from studying women in the Bible and the ancient world is how women have battled the culture and come together as a community to force respect and recognition.

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Miller said he wants to make sure that at least the students in his class know the ibble of those women and their stories. Weems was the first black woman to earn a doctorate in Old Testament at Princeton Theological Seminary.

An ordained minister, she also calls herself a feminist, two worlds that often clash. She told her life story, growing up in the Pentecostal tradition in Georgia.

She graduated from Wellesley College and Princeton and is a professor, prolific author and acclaimed speaker.

Comparing her own achievements and rise in the church with women of previous eras caused her to reflect. She noted the progress that women have made in ministry during the past few decades.

But Weems said she worries about how history will judge this period of more freedom for women in ministry.

Are they becoming ministers for the right reason?

Are women making any difference?